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		<title>Comment on What Language Is This? by matushka constantina</title>
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		<dc:creator>matushka constantina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 13:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed reading this. Thank you for posting it!

Pauline Pujol, Divine Liturgy is not an evangelistic tool, it is a worship service for the initiated; some of those initiated speak different languages (and often don&#039;t understand English very well). It is not for proselytizing. We evangelize by living Christ-centered lives, keeping the Commandments and loving our neighbour. In the Divine Liturgy a great mystery takes place that is not for everyone. That is why the priest says &quot;Catechumins depart&quot;. Those who are not Orthodox Christians should depart at that time so that they can receive the mystery when they&#039;re ready, not beforehand. It is not the language of the Divine Liturgy  that needs to change, it is us who project ideas from our own backgrounds unto something else that need to change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed reading this. Thank you for posting it!</p>
<p>Pauline Pujol, Divine Liturgy is not an evangelistic tool, it is a worship service for the initiated; some of those initiated speak different languages (and often don&#8217;t understand English very well). It is not for proselytizing. We evangelize by living Christ-centered lives, keeping the Commandments and loving our neighbour. In the Divine Liturgy a great mystery takes place that is not for everyone. That is why the priest says &#8220;Catechumins depart&#8221;. Those who are not Orthodox Christians should depart at that time so that they can receive the mystery when they&#8217;re ready, not beforehand. It is not the language of the Divine Liturgy  that needs to change, it is us who project ideas from our own backgrounds unto something else that need to change.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Language Is This? by Fr. John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 13:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patristic Anglican, if this really is the reason you haven&#039;t joined the Orthodox Church, then you have a great deal more issues that &#039;language&#039; keeping you back. Anglicanism is just as, if not even more, ethnic than immigrant Orthodox communities, but often you have to be on the outside looking in to see it. Having come out of the Anglican communion myself, I know the challenges Anglicans face, but Anglicans make great Orthodox precisely because they don&#039;t shy away from struggle and sacrifice for truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patristic Anglican, if this really is the reason you haven&#8217;t joined the Orthodox Church, then you have a great deal more issues that &#8216;language&#8217; keeping you back. Anglicanism is just as, if not even more, ethnic than immigrant Orthodox communities, but often you have to be on the outside looking in to see it. Having come out of the Anglican communion myself, I know the challenges Anglicans face, but Anglicans make great Orthodox precisely because they don&#8217;t shy away from struggle and sacrifice for truth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ban Roll-On Baptist Visits An Orthodox Church by Patristic Anglican</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patristic Anglican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 13:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been to multiple parishes for several weeks and at each one this is precisely what I experience. Orthodoxy in the Southeast US has a long way to go but I pray that it will become Americanized sooner rather than later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to multiple parishes for several weeks and at each one this is precisely what I experience. Orthodoxy in the Southeast US has a long way to go but I pray that it will become Americanized sooner rather than later.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ban Roll-On Baptist Visits An Orthodox Church by Patristic Anglican</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patristic Anglican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve attended three different parishes in three different cities and this is precisely what I&#039;ve exper]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve attended three different parishes in three different cities and this is precisely what I&#8217;ve exper</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Language Is This? by Patristic Anglican</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patristic Anglican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 13:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And this is why I remain a Continuing Anglican.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is why I remain a Continuing Anglican.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Language Is This? by Lillibet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lillibet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 12:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember those One World of Sharing boxes Protestant kiddies filled up with odd coins and monies from allowance during Lent back in the day?  If you admit this, you can do it quietly because you might be dating yourself.  On them were all sorts of phrases about loving the world, all peoples, all in a variety of languages.  During the 60&#039;s the concentration was on the countries of the Communist Bloc, being they were so godless and all.  Sometime in the two or three weeks before Easter we&#039;d have groups visit from the various ethnic traditions, including our own hometown&#039;s sister cities.  This was tough, because i grew up in St. Paul where ethnic meant someone with dark hair. Diversity meant Lutherans mingling with Presbyterians.  Seriously.

I look at learning languages as similar to the Roman Catholics before their mass went all English after Vatican II.  Latin was needed to worship in their churches, and when I visited the Catholic church down the road with my best friend, I needed Latin to know when to stand.  Being Presbyterian, I was informed kneeling wouldn&#039;t do me any good as my salvation was pretty much a lost cause unless God changed His mind about Calvin.

I learned a smattering of Russian from my various violin teachers, but they generally used the language when I messed up.  As a result, I learned mostly phrases that would never be heard in any church.  I have also learned that Greek is a great thing to learn, because when I want to read the original New Testament, it helps to know what was written and how the grammar may or may not accurately reflect the reality of that beautiful language.  Bonus:  you get really high quality gyros ordering in Greek, no matter how trashed your accent might be.  As for Arabic, forget about ever reading the calligraphic stuff on walls, because the art totally removes clarity unless you really understand nuance.  Yet, a few phrases here and there are wonderful to know, and the language and grammar is much simpler for almost every language, when compared to English.  I love the music of it, and look on unknown languages as a new adventure into the great unknown of communicating with friends I&#039;ve not been introduced to, yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember those One World of Sharing boxes Protestant kiddies filled up with odd coins and monies from allowance during Lent back in the day?  If you admit this, you can do it quietly because you might be dating yourself.  On them were all sorts of phrases about loving the world, all peoples, all in a variety of languages.  During the 60&#8242;s the concentration was on the countries of the Communist Bloc, being they were so godless and all.  Sometime in the two or three weeks before Easter we&#8217;d have groups visit from the various ethnic traditions, including our own hometown&#8217;s sister cities.  This was tough, because i grew up in St. Paul where ethnic meant someone with dark hair. Diversity meant Lutherans mingling with Presbyterians.  Seriously.</p>
<p>I look at learning languages as similar to the Roman Catholics before their mass went all English after Vatican II.  Latin was needed to worship in their churches, and when I visited the Catholic church down the road with my best friend, I needed Latin to know when to stand.  Being Presbyterian, I was informed kneeling wouldn&#8217;t do me any good as my salvation was pretty much a lost cause unless God changed His mind about Calvin.</p>
<p>I learned a smattering of Russian from my various violin teachers, but they generally used the language when I messed up.  As a result, I learned mostly phrases that would never be heard in any church.  I have also learned that Greek is a great thing to learn, because when I want to read the original New Testament, it helps to know what was written and how the grammar may or may not accurately reflect the reality of that beautiful language.  Bonus:  you get really high quality gyros ordering in Greek, no matter how trashed your accent might be.  As for Arabic, forget about ever reading the calligraphic stuff on walls, because the art totally removes clarity unless you really understand nuance.  Yet, a few phrases here and there are wonderful to know, and the language and grammar is much simpler for almost every language, when compared to English.  I love the music of it, and look on unknown languages as a new adventure into the great unknown of communicating with friends I&#8217;ve not been introduced to, yet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Language Is This? by Pauline Pujol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pauline Pujol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 11:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a politically correct article.  Folks, this is A M E R I C A, NOT RUSSIA, GREECE, ROMANIA, MIDDLE EAST.  I find it boring, distracting, and disrespectful to go to church and have the priest speak in a foreign language.  The Orthodox Church claims to be the original and only true Christian Church.  YOU BETTER DO A MUCH BETTER JOB EVANGELIZING.
Pauline Pujol
Protestant]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a politically correct article.  Folks, this is A M E R I C A, NOT RUSSIA, GREECE, ROMANIA, MIDDLE EAST.  I find it boring, distracting, and disrespectful to go to church and have the priest speak in a foreign language.  The Orthodox Church claims to be the original and only true Christian Church.  YOU BETTER DO A MUCH BETTER JOB EVANGELIZING.<br />
Pauline Pujol<br />
Protestant</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Language Is This? by Patrick Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 11:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well written and enjoyable to read.  I converted to Orthodoxy into the Coptic Orthodox Church (Egyptian) and eventually left due to the language and cultural issues and now attend an OCA Church (happily).  While I do agree with you that the language of love is universal, I would still say that each culture has the right to worship God in their language, culture and ethos.  The Egyptians worship in Coptic and Arabic since that is their ancestral and native language and the other Churches do the same.  In my opinion, the Orthodox Church should give the ancient Pearl of Orthodoxy to each culture in their native language, culture and ethos (if it is a missionary Church, if it is an immigrant church serving immigrants, then it should retain the language of the immigrant population).  Anyway, good article but I do not think you were wrong to want to have the liturgy in your own language - even St. Paul said he would rather speak 5 words that were understandable to people than 10,000 words in unintelligible tongues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written and enjoyable to read.  I converted to Orthodoxy into the Coptic Orthodox Church (Egyptian) and eventually left due to the language and cultural issues and now attend an OCA Church (happily).  While I do agree with you that the language of love is universal, I would still say that each culture has the right to worship God in their language, culture and ethos.  The Egyptians worship in Coptic and Arabic since that is their ancestral and native language and the other Churches do the same.  In my opinion, the Orthodox Church should give the ancient Pearl of Orthodoxy to each culture in their native language, culture and ethos (if it is a missionary Church, if it is an immigrant church serving immigrants, then it should retain the language of the immigrant population).  Anyway, good article but I do not think you were wrong to want to have the liturgy in your own language &#8211; even St. Paul said he would rather speak 5 words that were understandable to people than 10,000 words in unintelligible tongues.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ban Roll-On Baptist Visits An Orthodox Church by Lillibet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lillibet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally, I know what that particular, peculiar gaze, which I clearly had, is called. Mostly, I remember being nervous, muttering something like, &quot;5 day deodorant pad, don&#039;t fail me now.&quot; [Just keeping with that personal care product meme.] Having lived past saucer eyes, I&#039;ve still never figured out how to properly say thanks for the bits of bread, lovingly placed in my hands by nearby strangers, as the exact wording depends upon who is giving, and which language tradition is involved.  By week three, I did remember to place a clean sandwich bag in the purse, along with a suitable real linen napkin to wrap around this treasure.  Upon arriving at home, I am careful to parcel out a little piece of bread, to ensure I have a few crumbs for as many day as possible, until I can get back again.  The taste of it brings me right back to Sunday morning. 

Sure, Orthodox worship is a lot different than sitting in a service with God&#039;s Frozen People.  It&#039;s less different from Greek to Romanian, to the other Greek, to the Russian to the English speaking parishes, yet locals all have their own customs that add to the richness of each service.  If Greek I and Greek II would consistently put the emphasis on the same syl-LA-bel, I&#039;d maybe have an easier time.  One church only uses readers who are native Greeks, others use readers with Greek as language learned at any time, including adulthood.  Has anyone heard Greek mixed with a heavy dose of Louisiana?  

Every parish has its own customs, and each has its unique beauty.  I&#039;ve tagged along with a variety of Orthodox friends, getting a taste of the UN in the city by the big lake, meaning only a few Sundays in any given parish.  This is the wonder of it, in that unity permeates the worship of every church, in unison participating in the same liturgy.  Chances are good that in some remote area of Russia there is a service any American could navigate without much instruction, except perhaps in the language spoken.  I don&#039;t think every church is steeped in a single ethnic tradition any longer, or at least that&#039;s so around me, but after reading many articles here at JTO, the service was less mysterious, except of course, when the services are supposed to be mysterious.  Then the mysterious is delightful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, I know what that particular, peculiar gaze, which I clearly had, is called. Mostly, I remember being nervous, muttering something like, &#8220;5 day deodorant pad, don&#8217;t fail me now.&#8221; [Just keeping with that personal care product meme.] Having lived past saucer eyes, I&#8217;ve still never figured out how to properly say thanks for the bits of bread, lovingly placed in my hands by nearby strangers, as the exact wording depends upon who is giving, and which language tradition is involved.  By week three, I did remember to place a clean sandwich bag in the purse, along with a suitable real linen napkin to wrap around this treasure.  Upon arriving at home, I am careful to parcel out a little piece of bread, to ensure I have a few crumbs for as many day as possible, until I can get back again.  The taste of it brings me right back to Sunday morning. </p>
<p>Sure, Orthodox worship is a lot different than sitting in a service with God&#8217;s Frozen People.  It&#8217;s less different from Greek to Romanian, to the other Greek, to the Russian to the English speaking parishes, yet locals all have their own customs that add to the richness of each service.  If Greek I and Greek II would consistently put the emphasis on the same syl-LA-bel, I&#8217;d maybe have an easier time.  One church only uses readers who are native Greeks, others use readers with Greek as language learned at any time, including adulthood.  Has anyone heard Greek mixed with a heavy dose of Louisiana?  </p>
<p>Every parish has its own customs, and each has its unique beauty.  I&#8217;ve tagged along with a variety of Orthodox friends, getting a taste of the UN in the city by the big lake, meaning only a few Sundays in any given parish.  This is the wonder of it, in that unity permeates the worship of every church, in unison participating in the same liturgy.  Chances are good that in some remote area of Russia there is a service any American could navigate without much instruction, except perhaps in the language spoken.  I don&#8217;t think every church is steeped in a single ethnic tradition any longer, or at least that&#8217;s so around me, but after reading many articles here at JTO, the service was less mysterious, except of course, when the services are supposed to be mysterious.  Then the mysterious is delightful.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ban Roll-On Baptist Visits An Orthodox Church by Pauline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pauline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 07:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lori - May your first visit be a time of blessing for you, even if it&#039;s also a time of many new experiences. My children and I were just received into the Holy Orthodox church a few weeks ago on Holy Saturday - and I must admit that there are still moments I get &quot;wrong&quot; in terms of &quot;what am I supposed to do now,&quot; and that is after 2-1/2 years of attending Orthodox churches in our conversion process.  Most people won&#039;t even notice, those who do will either be charitable or not. The latter can be ignored to an extent - we don&#039;t attend the Liturgy to play &quot;spot the outsider,&quot; and it should be the focus of anyone there. The vast majority who notice you are new will be warm and gracious and extraordinarily welcoming. 

In my parish, my first visit was just over a year ago. My husband and I were brand new in town (we&#039;d just moved due to a new job for him), and I was immediately put on bed rest due to complications of pregnancy with my fourth child.  

I attended Liturgy a whopping once before being put on bed rest, and I was stunned when this small parish of people who really didn&#039;t know me started making a rotation for bringing my family meals.  I knew there must be something pretty profound about the faith and practice of a community that showed that much love to a newcomer.  

We will be praying for you this weekend!

In Christ - 
Pauline]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori &#8211; May your first visit be a time of blessing for you, even if it&#8217;s also a time of many new experiences. My children and I were just received into the Holy Orthodox church a few weeks ago on Holy Saturday &#8211; and I must admit that there are still moments I get &#8220;wrong&#8221; in terms of &#8220;what am I supposed to do now,&#8221; and that is after 2-1/2 years of attending Orthodox churches in our conversion process.  Most people won&#8217;t even notice, those who do will either be charitable or not. The latter can be ignored to an extent &#8211; we don&#8217;t attend the Liturgy to play &#8220;spot the outsider,&#8221; and it should be the focus of anyone there. The vast majority who notice you are new will be warm and gracious and extraordinarily welcoming. </p>
<p>In my parish, my first visit was just over a year ago. My husband and I were brand new in town (we&#8217;d just moved due to a new job for him), and I was immediately put on bed rest due to complications of pregnancy with my fourth child.  </p>
<p>I attended Liturgy a whopping once before being put on bed rest, and I was stunned when this small parish of people who really didn&#8217;t know me started making a rotation for bringing my family meals.  I knew there must be something pretty profound about the faith and practice of a community that showed that much love to a newcomer.  </p>
<p>We will be praying for you this weekend!</p>
<p>In Christ &#8211;<br />
Pauline</p>
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